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		<title>By: Twitter Updates for 2009-03-01 :: shutterthemes.com</title>
		<link>http://wpmu.org/wordpress-and-the-gpl/comment-page-1/#comment-2377</link>
		<dc:creator>Twitter Updates for 2009-03-01 :: shutterthemes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] #gpl issues for developers: this fire never goes out http://wpmu.org/wordpress-and-the-gpl/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JamieO</title>
		<link>http://wpmu.org/wordpress-and-the-gpl/comment-page-1/#comment-2342</link>
		<dc:creator>JamieO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom: I hope that it gets settled both quickly and with a reasonable solution. It could be a huge way to boost the capabilities of using Wordpress as a platform for so much more than blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom: I hope that it gets settled both quickly and with a reasonable solution. It could be a huge way to boost the capabilities of using Wordpress as a platform for so much more than blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hoffman</title>
		<link>http://wpmu.org/wordpress-and-the-gpl/comment-page-1/#comment-2148</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

Yes, there has been one settled suit and lots more settled out of court, but this php plug-in issue is relatively speaking an edge case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>Yes, there has been one settled suit and lots more settled out of court, but this php plug-in issue is relatively speaking an edge case.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://wpmu.org/wordpress-and-the-gpl/comment-page-1/#comment-2147</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom, acutally there&#039;s been at least one GPL lawsuit, about a year and a half ago regarding BusyBox. The lawsuit, &quot;Erik Andersen and Rob Landley v. Verizon Communications Inc.&quot; case number 1:07-cv-11070-LTS, was filed December 6th, 2007, in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. A press release of The Software Freedom Law Center, provider of pro-bono legal services to protect and advance Free and Open Source Software (FOSS), can be found here: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&amp;STORY=/www/story/12-17-2007/0004724159&amp;EDATE=#</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom, acutally there&#8217;s been at least one GPL lawsuit, about a year and a half ago regarding BusyBox. The lawsuit, &#8220;Erik Andersen and Rob Landley v. Verizon Communications Inc.&#8221; case number 1:07-cv-11070-LTS, was filed December 6th, 2007, in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. A press release of The Software Freedom Law Center, provider of pro-bono legal services to protect and advance Free and Open Source Software (FOSS), can be found here: <a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&amp;STORY=/www/story/12-17-2007/0004724159&amp;EDATE=#" rel="nofollow">http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&amp;STORY=/www/story/12-17-2007/0004724159&amp;EDATE=#</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hoffman</title>
		<link>http://wpmu.org/wordpress-and-the-gpl/comment-page-1/#comment-2141</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two different questions:  Is this action in line with the intent and desires of the authors of the GPL and the authors and community of the GPL&#039;ed software I&#039;m writing a plugin for?  And, if I stick some code on my website that will only work when using shared structures from a GPL&#039;ed piece of software &lt;i&gt;can and will anyone successfully sue me&lt;/i&gt;?

The answer to the first question is clearly &quot;no.&quot;  The answer to the second question is &quot;probably not, at least I&#039;ve never heard of it happening.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two different questions:  Is this action in line with the intent and desires of the authors of the GPL and the authors and community of the GPL&#8217;ed software I&#8217;m writing a plugin for?  And, if I stick some code on my website that will only work when using shared structures from a GPL&#8217;ed piece of software <i>can and will anyone successfully sue me</i>?</p>
<p>The answer to the first question is clearly &#8220;no.&#8221;  The answer to the second question is &#8220;probably not, at least I&#8217;ve never heard of it happening.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dougal Campbell</title>
		<link>http://wpmu.org/wordpress-and-the-gpl/comment-page-1/#comment-2139</link>
		<dc:creator>Dougal Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a point raised above that possibly could be used as at least a partial loophole:

Code that can stand alone, and be used separately from GPL&#039;d works, can have its own license, yes?

So, let&#039;s say you have a hypothetical class library that lets you communicate with some sort of network service (like IM, Twitter, a weather service, etc). The class library is stand-alone -- anybody could write code that runs against the interface, it&#039;s not dependent on WordPress in any way. If I write such a class, I can license it however I want, including a private, purchase-only, no-redistribution without permission license. We&#039;re all agreed there, right?

If I write a WordPress plugin that implements that interface (brings in the class and calls its methods), the *plugin* code, if I distribute it, is supposed to be GPL. But the class can&#039;t be forced to be GPL, right? [1]

Now, somebody else could feel free to write a work-alike class implementing the same interfaces, and make it GPL. But they&#039;d have to be careful not to copy the original class code wholesale, or risk violating its copyright. Instead, they (theoretically) would be obligated to only work from the interfaces exposed in the GPL&#039;d plugin code, and reverse engineer based on that (which might not give them the full set of interfaces actually available in the non-GPL library).

[1] This is the point I&#039;m not absolutely sure of. Does GPL somehow forbid you from distributing &quot;non-GPL-compatible&quot; code along with GPL code? The whole &quot;fork/exec&quot; vs &quot;shared structures&quot; argument gets really fuzzy here I think. If my class can be a black-box, it shouldn&#039;t matter how it&#039;s called. I, as the code creator, should be able to determine what is or is-not acceptable usage, and control redistribution rights. But that&#039;s just my common sense talking, not any analysis of what the GPL actually claims. Somone please correct me if common sense doesn&#039;t apply here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a point raised above that possibly could be used as at least a partial loophole:</p>
<p>Code that can stand alone, and be used separately from GPL&#8217;d works, can have its own license, yes?</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s say you have a hypothetical class library that lets you communicate with some sort of network service (like IM, Twitter, a weather service, etc). The class library is stand-alone &#8212; anybody could write code that runs against the interface, it&#8217;s not dependent on WordPress in any way. If I write such a class, I can license it however I want, including a private, purchase-only, no-redistribution without permission license. We&#8217;re all agreed there, right?</p>
<p>If I write a WordPress plugin that implements that interface (brings in the class and calls its methods), the *plugin* code, if I distribute it, is supposed to be GPL. But the class can&#8217;t be forced to be GPL, right? [1]</p>
<p>Now, somebody else could feel free to write a work-alike class implementing the same interfaces, and make it GPL. But they&#8217;d have to be careful not to copy the original class code wholesale, or risk violating its copyright. Instead, they (theoretically) would be obligated to only work from the interfaces exposed in the GPL&#8217;d plugin code, and reverse engineer based on that (which might not give them the full set of interfaces actually available in the non-GPL library).</p>
<p>[1] This is the point I&#8217;m not absolutely sure of. Does GPL somehow forbid you from distributing &#8220;non-GPL-compatible&#8221; code along with GPL code? The whole &#8220;fork/exec&#8221; vs &#8220;shared structures&#8221; argument gets really fuzzy here I think. If my class can be a black-box, it shouldn&#8217;t matter how it&#8217;s called. I, as the code creator, should be able to determine what is or is-not acceptable usage, and control redistribution rights. But that&#8217;s just my common sense talking, not any analysis of what the GPL actually claims. Somone please correct me if common sense doesn&#8217;t apply here.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; OLDaily per Stephen Downes, 6 de febrer de 2009 TIC, E/A, PER&#8230;:</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; OLDaily per Stephen Downes, 6 de febrer de 2009 TIC, E/A, PER&#8230;:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] enllace o faça servir funcions WP que també estiguen sota llicència GPL.&#8221; James Farmer respon ací, i Roger Benningfield resumeix els comentaris que ha provocat: &#8220;La GPL està dissenyada [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] enllace o faça servir funcions WP que també estiguen sota llicència GPL.&#8221; James Farmer respon ací, i Roger Benningfield resumeix els comentaris que ha provocat: &#8220;La GPL està dissenyada [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Callum</title>
		<link>http://wpmu.org/wordpress-and-the-gpl/comment-page-1/#comment-2118</link>
		<dc:creator>Callum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;http://wpmu.org/wordpress-and-the-gpl/#comment-2114&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeff Waugh&lt;/a&gt;: Apologies, my &lt;a href=&quot;http://wpmu.org/wordpress-and-the-gpl/#comment-2084&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;previous comment&lt;/a&gt; wasn&#039;t super clear. I realise that the GPL allows for redistribution. I also understand you can still charge for a copy of the software.

My point was that if the code is not &quot;distributed&quot;, the GPL doesn&#039;t apply. I know there&#039;s some debate over whether this should be the case, hence the GNU Affero GPL licence.

Personally I support open source licensing, I think it makes economic as well as &quot;social&quot; sense. I&#039;d like to see more of WordPress.com openly available for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://wpmu.org/wordpress-and-the-gpl/#comment-2114" rel="nofollow">Jeff Waugh</a>: Apologies, my <a href="http://wpmu.org/wordpress-and-the-gpl/#comment-2084" rel="nofollow">previous comment</a> wasn&#8217;t super clear. I realise that the GPL allows for redistribution. I also understand you can still charge for a copy of the software.</p>
<p>My point was that if the code is not &#8220;distributed&#8221;, the GPL doesn&#8217;t apply. I know there&#8217;s some debate over whether this should be the case, hence the GNU Affero GPL licence.</p>
<p>Personally I support open source licensing, I think it makes economic as well as &#8220;social&#8221; sense. I&#8217;d like to see more of WordPress.com openly available for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://wpmu.org/wordpress-and-the-gpl/comment-page-1/#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3801396/Bruce-Perens-Combining-GPL-and-Proprietary-Software.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;combining GPL and proprietary poftware&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting article on <a href="http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3801396/Bruce-Perens-Combining-GPL-and-Proprietary-Software.htm" rel="nofollow">combining GPL and proprietary poftware</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Waugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Waugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Callum: That&#039;s one of the things the GPL was designed to protect -&gt; if you distribute product/code under the GPL to anyone, you are distributing it under (and therefore they receive it under) the same terms. Thus, they can redistribute it further, as they have the same permissions and obligations as you.

That doesn&#039;t mean you can&#039;t &quot;charge for the code&quot;, but it certainly does complicate a business model based on false scarcity. That&#039;s why there is so much creativity around business models (and customer satisfaction) in the world of Open Source business.

It might be worth reading up on Marten Mickos&#039; well-stated &quot;time vs. money&quot; thoughts about the MySQL business model, which is deeply relevant to this discussion (open core, paid consulting and services, etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Callum: That&#8217;s one of the things the GPL was designed to protect -&gt; if you distribute product/code under the GPL to anyone, you are distributing it under (and therefore they receive it under) the same terms. Thus, they can redistribute it further, as they have the same permissions and obligations as you.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t &#8220;charge for the code&#8221;, but it certainly does complicate a business model based on false scarcity. That&#8217;s why there is so much creativity around business models (and customer satisfaction) in the world of Open Source business.</p>
<p>It might be worth reading up on Marten Mickos&#8217; well-stated &#8220;time vs. money&#8221; thoughts about the MySQL business model, which is deeply relevant to this discussion (open core, paid consulting and services, etc).</p>
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